but on the other hand, you're seeing the marco rubios of the world focus on immigration reform, from his perch on capitol hill. you're seeing paul ryan work on the republicans' budget. so there is that interesting outsider versus insider dynamic going on. >> fascinating. we always say governors are pragmatic, and that seems to be what the divide is right now. i want to bring up something which is fascinating in battleground states. excuse me. republicans in these states, virginia, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, they control the state legislature, they're trying to move legislation that would make it so it's not winner take all in the electoral college. that it's proportional, so that if you have -- you win via the congressional district, which a lot of republicans are saying, well, it means local control, but take virginia, northern virginia would get the same vote as out near tennessee, which has much less population. what is the purpose behind this? >> look, it's all about giving the republicans a significant advantage in these battleground states that they've lost in the past two p